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This week's episode is going to be from one of the OGs in the NFT scene. Soby is a punk owner, cool cat owner, and is a co-founder of one of the biggest web3 media brands called Ex Populus. They partner with major IP brands to infuse NFTs into physical toys & collectibles, as well as create & publish videogames.

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[boona]:

Go, we liveman. uh, j, M soby, How are you?

[soby]:

Good K. thank you for having me.

[boona]:

Absolutely man? It's uh, uh. it's It's been an absolute treat, man like I'll tell you, Um, I've I started this podcast interviewing East sports professionals and you know interviewing people like East War. Eastps is still very young, but it's still got some like mature like it's It's a little bit more mature than the Cryptton, empty space and it always felt like such a challenge to get to like interview like people without going through all these barriers. And since I've come into the n f T world man like I just been like there's no. there's no like road blocks or barriers. It's just like we just like want to talk about n ts, because it just makes us happy. you know.

[soby]:

Yeah,

[boona]:

Um, so, uh, I appreciate you coming on, man. How's you day going so far?

[soby]:

pretty good. you just spend. Um, plant some games recently devibing

[boona]:

Yeah, man, I saw you in it. was it you that got deas into that? Uh, what's that? What's

[soby]:

new world.

[boona]:

what's that game? The new world? Yeah,

[soby]:

Yeah, the new mmo by the Amazon games. I, I was just planing right before. I haveed done this actually, and I. Yesterda, I didn't play to let my buddies catch up with me, so it's exciting to you know, Start questioning with them and and run some instances and shit later on today.

[boona]:

helly, Yeah, man. well, uh, I know you know. I. I know that's usually. Uh, usually takes up a lot of time. Its I preceed Carvents about Van. Um, this is is going to be good, dude, So want to want to do a quick intertroman like you know. Like, uh, we met through. You know we went through Michael, Uh, Michael tant, you know, Uh, which is a recent guest in the podcast Man, Um, just for the audience. Who, from my audence who doesn't know? You mean you know? like, kind of give a little background Cor you. What do you do? Men and uh, what brought you into the scene?

[soby]:

Yeah, um, so I was. I've been encrypted for a bit. Now I was a a long story short. I was selling crypt up, or seelling scans from script for a little bit in high school made some money. That was like my first introduction to it all. I went to college, discovered like smart contracts and their applications, and like the second third year at college or so they got really intofi. Was early to that Um jumped into N f Ts, because it reminded me of likefi eles new primitives for finance, N f ts, or new primeters for culture, and and B a top shot like a naval. A I' a huge basketball fan. And then, uh, you know, Ive been thinking about doing something in space that I've been in for four five years now for a while, and thought gaming is something that we started talking about a lot

[boona]:

Mhm,

[soby]:

last year, Um, new last year beginning this year internally, And uh, you know I ended up founding a company called Exxpoculus, Um, with loo people, Um, an exx, bopt, This is a me oforous game publisher, so we develop uh and publish games. Uh, that you know, leverage block chains in a, in a way that makes sense that provides Yp value for our users, and you know, also creates new experiences and blah Bla, blah. So that that's been a lot of fun. I, and now I'm here. Yeah,

[boona]:

sick, man sick. Yeah, I mean it's uh. It's find the way you said that man like it's You're just like pretty nonchant about it. But it's it's a pretty big deal, man like it's uh. It's pretty cool to be a part of this. Um, it just and I and I mean that in a good way where it's just like it's just a lot of this should just becomes natural, you know, and it just kind of rolls off the tongue. It's just like is what we're doing. Um,

[soby]:

no, it's a lot of fun. Man. I mean, I think for me, the it's been wild the last couple of years, Especially this year. it's just been. you know. Uh, like I sold a punk to O B. j, That was a goodop experience

[boona]:

yeah, man,

[soby]:

A, and just

[boona]:

tell me. tell me about that. Do be cause I saw it on your Twitter.

[soby]:

it, I mean I. I can't really get too much into it. but uh,

[boona]:

Gotcha Okay?

[soby]:

we're We're goingnna talk more about that in a more public setting later on, but the

[boona]:

Okay,

[soby]:

it was just cool. like I just know someone from team and they started talking and I was like Oh, I wrote a whole article about like my thought process behind it because I do think that I'm extremely bullish on punks So it's one of those things. It's like Why would you sell a punk then forre so bullsish And it's why. Well, ob, j is like insane culture wise, and like it. just it validates

[boona]:

Mhm,

[soby]:

my thesis as well. But And and you look, look at kind of what we've been seeing like a lot like Sneop. Dog Just got a punk yesterday.

[boona]:

Yep,

[soby]:

So it it's happening really fast. man, it's it's when Ste Gry got aped. That was so cool like it.

[boona]:

yeah,

[soby]:

It's like the simulation shit is crazy right now right. It's like these things that wecause we were talking about earlier before we recorded How much. we're both huge. uh, uh sports fans. He's age rocket fan. I'm a Kings fan. unfortunately, and uh, you know it it. it's a trip to see these things like these. these. uh, these things that we keep separate from each other, start culminating right and start dripping into one another and influencing each other Where I never thought stuff Curry would buy an ape if you ask me, like,

[boona]:

right,

[soby]:

literally, even a month before it happened like it' like No, but look,

[boona]:

yeah, yeah, now he. now he's a part of it man like I and I. I think you bring up a really good point. It's um that that's that's such a good topic because like I, I feel that like I get very. I get very nervous when celebrities under the scene, you know, to me it's it's all about intention. Uh, and when I saw South Curry when I saw I, even Shi even saw a shack, Uh ap into the creatures, Uh, project. Um, you know and I just you know it, cause some that we've seen. Um. Who was it? John Wall, Like had that really big rug pull where he like copied all the art from fortnight. He hit all the ba, like the Crypto basketball babies, like he copied from. Like, uh, uh, boss babies like it's there was like a clear sketch that they like, copied and mapped out. Um, and then just and then I think lozy as well, and they just completely dip. man, you know, so

[soby]:

the Uzy one was crazy. I don't even know if I'm trying to listen to Uzi anymore.

[boona]:

right, like I, so I saw. I saw headlines. Man. So so what what exactly went down? I? All I saw is

[soby]:

That show was atrocious.

[boona]:

that he deleted all his discord messages. That's that's all I saw.

[soby]:

Yeah, I, I. I barely know what happenedcause, I was F. like I was going to bu. '. and

[boona]:

Okay.

[soby]:

then I just like Fuck it. I'm just burnt down from menting the shitcause.

[boona]:

yeah,

[soby]:

I. I thought they looked og ugly deeply like apparently he was promoting them all over Twitter. Then they sell out and then there was like the. They're like literally guaranteing floor prices in the Dis group, which is just a bad look.

[boona]:

yeah,

[soby]:

Uh, and I'm sure like the guys behind it like the Debs and stuff are trying hard, et Ctera, But do Uzy all tweets and then um, and I guess like he. D. he deletes all it discree messages too. So it's just like it's one of those things that like they were trying to, Uh, I don't know. It just was about look, so that that was awful, but I, to your point about getting nervous about celebrities. I think it's not what's nice, is that we we? We're reaching this escape velocity soon, or uh, it's not it already. I. I would say that it's like this, but it's still um, not apparent to the other side 'cause you have to, so you have to remember. I think sometimes like some of these conversations, um about doing ify drops like they, they were happening a few weeks before, right or months

[boona]:

hm,

[soby]:

before. And so then they're coming out and doing these things And it, they're not like. They're obviously probably not in the space for whoever's advising them. It's

[boona]:

yeah,

[soby]:

probably not the best person in the space 'cause uh, The the issues. You can't think of it as an endorsement deal. You have to think of it as like uh, or a one off endorsement deal or one off like sponsorship posts. It's like what you're doing

[boona]:

hm,

[soby]:

is like you can leverage your your brand in a very thoughtful way that uh, you know would allow you to create a new revenue stream. and and, and like just the economics, the business side of it, but more importantly I think is, uh, give your community something to rally behind. Like a a way to connect people. A wait to give your community and your the people enjoy you, right that, enjoy

[boona]:

five

[soby]:

your content. That enjoy your. I. P. Whatever it is, Uh, give them new experiences and like leverage this technology that you can find like you know a block like Let. To be honest with you, let's like the honest truth is that a lot of things that you can do with a block Sce. you can do with the database sometimes, but the issues are then. like you know the data integrity, they just um

[boona]:

h,

[soby]:

immuttability. All these things, so that's the trade offs to just be kind of more technical about it. But the the interesting thing is how exciting excited people get right. Like N f Ts

[boona]:

five,

[soby]:

are cool. It's like they're for fun, man like it's uh. I'm having a lot of fun. I think a lot of people are. They feel like kids again. You know, like thinking about how like How can you use technology and and art and finance and all these things, And not like, necessarily like finance. Like financial instruments right, but like the fact that like one the th one thing that tripped me out was like how hard it is to sell art or hard hard. How 'cause I'm a collector of things in real life. Like I have a bunch of comic books. I used to be a big sneaker guy and the sneaker market was the only market that I operated in on the cell side, Uh, 'cause I used to do like bots and all that stuff. And

[boona]:

yeah, yeah, yeah,

[soby]:

you you'd buy sneakers and you sell 'em um on the secondary and it's a whole thing. Uh, but that that was like, just because of, like, just pure supply and demand like the, You know, there'd only be five hundred sneakers or thousand or two thousand, and there's way more demand than that. You could sell them on Ebay, but then problem with Ebay was you would get scams sometimes and that sucked uh, or just issues with. like the payment processor Paypal, like some guy can claim a charge and then you have to fight

[boona]:

yeah,

[soby]:

the claim over three week period, But it's like you did give 'em the shoes right, So all those things were payin points, Then stock Actx, and all these guys came around and they, they provided authentication services, but things so sneak they're They're charging a fat premium for the authentication. Uh, and things still step through. So when when you think about all that like n ifities provide you with something when it's like it's authentic. it's easy to trade like it's such a a h. like Open C, Iss actually the cheapest platform. But like it's crazy to me that

[boona]:

yeah, yeah, yeah,

[soby]:

people like shit on these guys And then it's like I, I really think the open C team is awesome. I think the things they do is really cool. They're like the. They have a hard problem, and like their, their

[boona]:

yep,

[soby]:

application is like the most used en crypto and they're scaling a company at a real time and a great start up. and uh to me it's It's a crazy like they charge. like whatever, percentage at the two and half whatever, which is the cheapest out of Christi's charge is forty percent pro. Uh,

[boona]:

two and a half, yep. Yep. let' him realize that

[soby]:

you know. Yeah, it's like forty or subion, I think, but it's like fifteen. I think honest, see, I might be higherbly, but it's insane

[boona]:

Yeah,

[soby]:

right and uh, it's just something like you got to keep servers on those operational costs to justify those things. Uh, and then beyond that it's like you know, the the markets are just more efficient. I know I'm not getting scamed. so it's like you have to think of it from that way. So, for me, the in the other part of the celebrity stuff, though, is this that? Uh? Okay, So the difference between entities and like investments are interestingly me, like in investment products right Like So when I uh, when I buy like, let's say I'm building out a huge

[boona]:

Hm, Mhm,

[soby]:

position on Abe, Because I think I, I know something of. I have an information asymmetry. Why I know something that most people don't want. other people are not just be Ba. Whether that's for my research, maybe I'm looking at a a proprietary metric that tells me that Abe is incremly under valuealues. right. whatever it is that does making me do this and I would have a like. Let's say, my goal is to buy a million dollars with the Obby. I'm not going to tell anyone until I have a million dollars of Abe, Right and then and then, even then I might wantnna crew, more Blbo. Every want it. You so don't want to really tell people why you aren't just like La. To think they do is magic, but

[boona]:

yeah,

[soby]:

if you go and spend, you know a million dollars, three hundred thirty three eighth. whatever, whatever that is right, If you go and spend that amount on a Fidenza or let's say you spend that amount on a Ga. An item in the game, you spend that amount on a punk. you spend that amount on a toad. Whatever it it is right, Maybe an ape. the inscident. You do that like you want everyone to know right like it's it it. Because though you as a collector, what you're doing is to the the audiences, you're signaling something has significance

[boona]:

yeah,

[soby]:

Right. Why is it that I'm spending three million dollars on a fucking goerrilla? It's like, Oh, it happens to be that this goerrilla is potentially a decentralized competitor to Supreme, right, P. The community is awesome. They're de ri work. It's like it's it's. there's something here right. It's it super auv guard, In some sense, right, super cringe to say that, but it'll be all pretentiousship. But like you know, it's it's this digital renaissance era that we're living in right now. Um, and that's like there's this joke that I've heard a couple of times or somebody, my buddies like. Oh, you'd really spend like fifty, Eh, on something that people can only see if you're even in person with them. Like buying like an a P or something, right, uh, 'cause it it. It's crazy, the social currency that you get from some of these things. but uh,

[boona]:

yeah, hm, yeah, yes, yes,

[soby]:

that's what it. it is like you have to be

[boona]:

yep.

[soby]:

mindful of like because you know it. It is going to be one of those things in like a few years own. Acrypt. A punk is going be one of the biggest flexes right in my opinion, and maybe like apes and stuff to whatever it is Like being

[boona]:

yeah,

[soby]:

able to say like it. it. It's crazy though that we' happen is because now you're deriving things from C. Like this is what The the The shift is, Um, protocols and applications. They're derriving value from whatever they're disrupting and the fees and the flows and the cash flows, etcetera. the T v. All that those protocols have these things, punks for dens as art blocks. All this stuff. They're deriving value because they have cultural significance and it's cultural significance based in a cryptocentric way,

[boona]:

yup, yup,

[soby]:

right, which is freaking crazy. Be like. Its've been here for so many years and now we have like we have culture like I just saw Tom Brady in the F. t. x, A, and that's actually really good Atd. Um, and it's awesome, dude.

[boona]:

I have. Yeah, I, I've I've heard about that, Ed. but I didn't you know? I didn't see it and I, I wanted. I want to die. I want to touch on the the social currencycause. I, I think people understand social currency, but they don't like when you put the word to it. It's like to the common person that it's like. What the fuck Does that mean? You know? like. what? Like. Why would that be important? Like? Like, So I actually bought. it was right when fractional launched. Um, I bought. I bought into Des's uh, hoodie punk, you know, and I

[soby]:

Mhm.

[boona]:

like, which was like my first like take on. I' like I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. It was my first exposure to Def, you know, and um, but I'm like this is dove, dude. Like you know, he's he. He puts. I understood the basic concept like he's taking his nonfgable asset and he's locking in an Avult and making it fungable, putting a liquidity puol behind it and allowing people to buy into his asset, you know, Um. And if you would have told me that like around, like 'cause I never got into Robin Hood and never got into cash up or any of the fraction and stocks like that To me, that's just's fucking boring like it's It's so boring, dude, like I never. I saw some of my friends doing it. I'm like Bro. I don't even want anything to do with it looking at numbers all day. Like, But you give me an opportunity to invest in culture like That's fucking cool man. Um, and Dees was really cool about it where he was just like Look. I actually want you to put this as your p. F. P.

[soby]:

Yeah,

[boona]:

You know, Um, 'cause I went through that struggle of like do I own this? Do I have the right to put this as my P. P. Like you know, is this? You know what? I meancause? like it was A. It's just a kind like was like this is A, is a renaissance like, but it, we're We're thinking of some new ways Like these are all new thoughts. These are all like new ways of looking at things, and um, and and I decided to like. I'm like, you know what man like. If if it's not accepted by the community then I won't do it. You know, then I'll then ill opt it and I'll learn you know, but it was actually really well received when I had that hoodie punk as my p. f. P. like a lot of

[soby]:

No, the sake. dude.

[boona]:

yeah,

[soby]:

I wrote a whole threatread on that, which was crazy for me to see that be cause. it changed my perspective on something things where I was like. Oh, this is sick. This.

[boona]:

yeah,

[soby]:

I thought that the the same the same thing as having like a clantag guild banner.

[boona]:

right right, yeah, yeah, exactly man, exactly. I love the point that you draw to it because you know I, My thought was like fock, man like, since I don't actually own the full punk, I don't have the right to put that as my p. F. P. And then I and then I sat there. I'm like. Why the fuck doesn't it

[soby]:

But see that's what social currency is right there

[boona]:

right?

[soby]:

like you are self policing yourself on a set of a social contract that we intered with each other because it would decrease your social currency.

[boona]:

right?

[soby]:

You want to figure out? what? Like The fact that just dam that whole conversation was sick.

[boona]:

Yeah, dude, Yeah, like it it. it, and I mean, and I and I and I like I, I started putting as my P. a f. I'm like you know, just never so sort of follow me. You know, like you had a lot of some of the punks start to following you had jimmy dady f e. follow me like you had like. and and like I started like. But what was weird? So we mean is like. On top of that being the p. f. p. like Co, punks have such a cultural significance that like, I actually felt a genuine responsibility. Like makes sense when I tweeed shit out. You know what I mean like

[soby]:

Yeah, yeah,

[boona]:

I'm like when I say something like I'm representing a punk. I'm representing a community I'm representing you know this, this, this group like I don't want to say something. I don't know what the F. I'm talking about. I' want to be thoughtful whenever I say something. you know. I wouldn't respond like with with respect and kindness like, I just want to overall make sense and I just don't want to like tarnish. You know what punks have done? You know, because you know, love them or hate him. I, I don't knowe who hates them, but I fuck in love them like they were like. the. you know they, they are the Blue Chip Project and they are the people. Uh, they are the community a lot of people look up to in the scene. You know what I mean.

[soby]:

it's sick. I mean, I never even really thought of it that way, because uh, I get like. I actuallym, I guess I didn't didn't think of it that way because I'm like in the punk community and I try

[boona]:

Mhm,

[soby]:

to be. I. I'd say I'm a good actor, which is ducy to say about yourself right, but I think I'm I do well in the communityiancause. It's ma important to me like it. it. It's like one of those things

[boona]:

right, Yeah, it's it's not. it's not. yeah.

[soby]:

where you can really tell by actions

[boona]:

Yep,

[soby]:

who who this should actually manage to, Because to me, first of all, it's like it's not even this abstraction of me', like to findight' all just my friends. but like I love this shit

[boona]:

yeah,

[soby]:

like I, I'm having so much time and itcause Part for me, what's awesome is likes. I'm like a very social personal and stuff and I thought hey, Ohdy, stop that, sorry, that's my puppy.

[boona]:

you're good. you're good,

[soby]:

Uh, sometimes I, I catch myself just going like, Oh, man, like it would be nice. It just like like. Oh, maybe like I don't want to go out or like, Actually, I't go like you know, I want to hop on a tourist spaces like cause. I used to like you know, Spend a lot of time just talking friends and stuff, and like I so

[boona]:

Mhm,

[soby]:

do, but it's just I find myself more, just like inclined to go like. Well, yeah, like I want to go hang out with with all these people that I know that

[boona]:

Mhm,

[soby]:

like the same things as me. and like uh, I can talk to you about at length about these things that I'm like super passionate about. Um,

[boona]:

right,

[soby]:

Because it's hard to

[boona]:

that's my dog,

[soby]:

to to do that. Oh good boy,

[boona]:

good girl, good girl. Yeah,

[soby]:

but it's hard to do that stuff in person you know or like. it's not hard to deal a person. It's hard to find people in samely where I'm at right now, Like I have actually a a decent amount of web. three friends. I just went out with them yesterday. I grabbed uh dinner. And you know those guys are awesome and it's sick. I love hanging out. Uh, but it, the point still stands is just that it's crazy that you you can meet all these people on the Internet that, like I've met. So I, you knowe I finally met in person. Um, like a few months ago for first time

[boona]:

that's sick,

[soby]:

and and there's a few other people that I've known for a while. I'm in person. finally. Uh, especially in Miami. Um in June. So that was cool. But the thing is like it's It's just wild to me like I'd still, even before we met a person there. And there's people. I still have a ment in person where I consider them like a very close friend of mine And

[boona]:

Mhm,

[soby]:

it's like my. What of my business partners? Actually, I've never met this guy.

[boona]:

right.

[soby]:

I have bet this guys we've I've known each other for four years.

[boona]:

That's insane.

[soby]:

Yeah,

[boona]:

That's absolutely insane. And and I and I love your point, Mainlycause like I'm not someone who, uh, and and I and I think that I'm there's a few things I want touch Bu, like I feel that like I, I don't. I don't connect with whole, like any time that, like I've been in a group of people Like unless it's a concert like I like vibing with Like two to three people that I know really well like when I go out, You know, it's like I don't. I never. I never fucked with like large crowds. you know, before I got sober, I never fucked large parties like I never like. I never like liked any of that shit. You know what I mean. it, Just it was it. It gave me a lot of anxiety. I couldn't have genuine connection like I like. I wanted to go like, get to know people. I wanted to go like you know, like learn who the fuck they are, but when you're doing that with a bunch of like ten plus people who main objective is like get trash or like, get drunk or like. even if they're not, it's just you can't have. It's hard to have that many genuine conversations all in one sitting. you know, Um, and so I, That's why. I, really. I really vived with some of the stuff on on. Uh, like you know online, like I didn't realize that like this community existed, and once I found it, you know, I selling you offline like it felt like I struck gold. you know, I'm like Holy shit, dude, like there's been this, this, this, this, Uh, this energy that I've been like suppressing. Because, like I just never thought that this type of technology would ever be possible. And once I found it like I couldn't, I, I can't shut the fuck up about it, dude, you know, and it turns out there's a lot of other people who are exactly like me. And and it's almost, I don't like saying the world cult, but sometimes it like it. Sometimes it feels like it, but I just I feel like that's just a slang for, like a really strong community. In my opinion, you know what I mean.

[soby]:

but damn dude, kenth, Mer, just got hurtm. down. Be

[boona]:

Oh, sh, down, bad man Diykes.

[soby]:

sorry, but I agreement. it's hard not to get sick if you found fireb. You know what I mean.

[boona]:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I, dude. And And and I don't know. Like what? what? What's why was that like? I don't know where the fuck this like this thing goes. But I think it's the. You know. It's It's very similar to like you know. like I've like. my community's always been. Uh. My strongest community is in the suberb community Like I just celebrated eight years, you know, Uh, last august or in in August, And like I've never like. that's like my strongest bond with people you know. And but crypto in and in a t is like. it's almost like that same type of feeling in a weird way like it's it's It's kind of like the outcast crew. that like, likes some of the weirdest shit and the craziest shit ever. But and you're used to like being looked at differently. It used to be like told. you're not going to make it. You used to being told like all these other things. Um, you're like you're just a fucking weirdow. And I, I, just I, that's that to me is like something really special And I didn't realize that there were more communities that had just as strong of a connection from me outside of this or like in outside of soriety. You know what. I mean.

[soby]:

Yeah, sick dude. Tell.

[boona]:

Yeah, man, yeah, dude. Um, so you know we, we? We talked a little bit off. I man, like we, you know both a bunch of gamers. you know. Both both of uh, you know sports and and the culture significance, man, like you know, I want to talk about Uh, for for what you can talk about, you know, I'd love to let to talk about your. you know, your gaming publishing company,

[soby]:

yeah, yeah, dude. so we have some P Rs that are coming out, But the the whole thing is, you know, we have some really cool people in the team. I'm actually probably like the least impressive person on there. Um, my co founder C, e, O, Toby, this guy found Clan Wars and then Uh, was that I g n, like Ind incubator for like a year and a half for two, and then did Uh, a signal zero, which is like a mobile game publisher. Something like that. I made like millions, Insalt, et Ctera, Then Um, Nick Adams is one of our founders. He's one of the founders of E, s, l, Um. And then we have Mark Haris, who is a O Oscar nominated picturex artist, Um, and then my other dear friend Clem, who? I' He does like our corporate development stuff. He was like a A media, Chad, like social media chat that exited his company, Crypto, decrypted for a while, and some stuff. So uh, that's our team. Uh, But you know we have our first game Lamo, Um, that were coming out soon. So lama was? I'm really freak and excited about Lemo, So that is a game published or Uh, developed. Excuse me publishedi. us, developed by Super seventy seven Um. It's Rhiner and his team. Rhiners, awesome. Um, and the end, The rest of his seem were awesome too. And so the the lamos is is it's interesting. It's like these kind of look like Funkco Pop a little bit, and that seem

[boona]:

H,

[soby]:

like almost like that. Not necessarily like they like a chubby, I, a chibby art sale almost, but like a little bit blocker. And so, uh, I'll send you a picture later. But anyway, they, they had a battle Royal game. Um, or it's really. it's a matter ofver. Its really like. it's going to have in different kinds of games. and the landlorks are payable. But

[boona]:

hm,

[soby]:

uh, and the game is playable right now. We're just making a little bit better. They, the story with the Lamo guys is crazy, So they, they ended, been in development for a while two years ago. they were talking to Um. Amazon. And then you know they, They initially like they were. They made this like a P. C game and then they

[boona]:

M,

[soby]:

got someone else, I think, told them like some leadership, told them to do a mobile game 'cause they released two years ago a year and a half ago, two years ago, I think, And then they. they, uh, That was kind of like a early axis, but it was a very small early axis, like early early Ais, and then got some guys to go to mobile game. They went that started the mobile game development. They start talking to Amazon. And then you know March was when they were about a close, the dealer or whatever it was supposed to happen, and they had Boom cove. It happened.

[boona]:

five,

[soby]:

and that A just like threw a ring over and everything Like everyone's like. What the heck like? we

[boona]:

yeah,

[soby]:

have to shut stuff down. You know, so the conversation kind of dwindled away. Um, and then Ryder met the. But some people were our team who got to talk and they, and you know the guys that we have on team were awesom. theyve. They've built a lot of successful games about strong communities. Uh, you know next one of the founders. the s. l, like Clan

[boona]:

five,

[soby]:

Wars, all this stuff like making tope stuff of Pixsar, So it's not you know. it' Kind of. it's people like working with us, or like at least those guys they make. So you know we got to get to know Graer and his team and we really like we were seeing, and we felt like it was really lucky. Kind of how you know. The game's already uh, so far along on on the development and uh, and it just made so much sense, steed with the n f ts, which is the crazy part. So labos are almost like what me but like was trying to kind of

[boona]:

hm,

[soby]:

de. to some degree, Um.

[boona]:

mhm,

[soby]:

And you know these guys have been doing this longer than that before them. So that it was these labos are also vinyl figures that have a crazy a R experience, but now turn them in an n f t. So, and it's compatible anywhere that takes unity, So you can take your

[boona]:

s.

[soby]:

lam on day one to put it into central land. Im might get in trouble for saying that right now, but that that is like, 'cause it, you know I, I help on a lot of the strategy stuff. And and the guys get it like we're We're focused on building like a meta verse, like a, A, building them medverse right, and like Web three, and focusing on foundations of like, interoperability and stuff. So from day one that was an easy choice for us to make Um, or to include a future that we thought was very important. The other stuff too right is um. the content's really good. The game's gonna be fun. There's going to be other types of things you can do. You eventually'll be able to make your own Lamo, and one thing with that is like I want it, so you can. uh. it's free to make your own name up. It's just when you meanted us an n f t. But then you also get the finalnyl figure, Uh, and

[boona]:

M.

[soby]:

we have a lot of interesting uh partnerships Like Ninja involved in the game. He's an equity investor, Uh

[boona]:

six,

[soby]:

as well, so that's gonna be really cool. Um, we had a couple of Twitter spaces, but you know people should come. Uh, just want our uh discord to learn more about it. And and you know fall launch, We have that launch coming in the next few weeks. That's gonna be really exciting. Um, and I, I'm sorry for people to see that. Then we have a game that our co founder Toby, or C, o, uh, Tppy's, been working on for a while. Um, called Carnival that he's going to. We're gonna release and I don't like want. I can't really talk much about it, but uh that

[boona]:

Okay, yeah,

[soby]:

that's going be cool. And then we have uh, another unreleased project or unannounced project. uh, too. That will let make the announcement for that soon in the subsequent release. But then then tons of things in the pipeline. It's really exciting to make Doe. I, p, uh, sent around the stuff and you know it's been. It's been exciting, man, it's been. it's been a lot of work. It's been grind and

[boona]:

yeah,

[soby]:

you know we're really just going to get start. We're just goingnna get started like it's gonna be exciting to see where we're at. Uh, a moving uh, back to where we're building our offices to you know, be in person with the team and it's it's just a lot of fun. I like I. Everyone on our team is awesome. Uh, and we're all linen on this vision of just really the best way to explain it, I think, and I hate when people try to. I don't hate anything, but I don't like the comparison when people try to make we' like that, blah, blah, blah of this. but we. we really are trying to build a like a valve like Nintendo of Web Three, and I don't think a lot of people are focused on that right now and I think we have the. I don think. I know, we have the team to to do that and it's going to be a lot of fun.

[boona]:

yeah, I mean I like I. It's sometimes it's Cory. Something that may seem like. I think you have to have that in order to align yourself with what with with what you're building. You know

[soby]:

Yeah, no,

[boona]:

what. I mean like if if you don't have that like that, No star that like, kind of like that core value or like what you're trying to be. Like what you want to do like, then it's kind of hard to operate in that function. You know what. I mean. Um, but I mean you, you have to like all start. team read. You have to all sarcastic. like like, how did you all like all get together and agree upon this?

[soby]:

it, toode. I don't even know like this. Just crazy like he is a one hell of a starting F. grow. but

[boona]:

Yeah,

[soby]:

I like it. really just was cllaimant man. Like I known. I met Cllement in a telegram chat four years ago. He's a successful businessman out of like Singapore and stuff, And he had invested in one of Toby's prev previous companies And really this is Af. It is an effort of Toby dude, like Toby's man. So he, he's been, you know, talking to a lot of the guys on our team for like years, And they're good friends. They've known each other for years and they've been talking about for a while like we want to come together and make a company together. And so it's really just been this really awesome coincidence for someone like me, right, Uh, who you know? I, I'm not that successful. I've done well in crypto. I't know not to undermine myself, but it's just like these

[boona]:

right,

[soby]:

guys are crazy and it's it's to me. It's a lot of fun. Um, because I'm I. I'm very successful in the Web three space, but that is not. It's small comparison 'cause I'm learning a lot of things right on how to build stuff and all this stuff, which is awesome to work with people from different walks of life, and

[boona]:

Mhm,

[soby]:

and the just different thought processes and problem solv, et cetera. But

[boona]:

yeah,

[soby]:

uh that that's like. What's It's this aesome coincidence of like you know, getting a couple like Web. Three natives are really in the in the space and then that like that, I think is, that's kind of one of our secret souces and they combin that with people that have like done amazing

[boona]:

m.

[soby]:

things in the gaming industry. Like

[boona]:

mhm,

[soby]:

I, I think that's the unique mixture that we bring to our our. Our team is having that balance, Uh, and then that compatibility of like people listening uh to each other and collaborating with each other And it's not like. Oh, you know, I say this people do this. When someone says this, someone does this. It's a lot. It's very collaborative like I think this. I think this, like how do our things done? Asking questions and the

[boona]:

right.

[soby]:

culture is awesome. Now we're building. But the the. It's just a great coincidence. like the stars just aligned, and uh, boom bam, we all just came together. And and it's it's awesome. I. it. I'm very excited. I've been excited for like the last seven eight months and it's finally I can like start talking about it and

[boona]:

yeah,

[soby]:

you know we're we're. We're becoming more open and public and like uh, sharing our story, And and you know, we even started recording Deve calls and all this stuff and just making the process super, uh, transparent man. I, I love this com community. I love this industry and I can't wait to give back to it in the form of amazing. I. P, for them to play.

[boona]:

that fucking sick man, I mean, and so like I'd argue that, like uh that you have a more important role than you think. Like I remember you said earlier. Like you to like I, small potatoes compared to these guys. But like you've literally lived on like the absolute bleeding edges of all of this shit. And like you're like the Abs, you're like the bridge of, like you know of. of, uh, I guess established a co. like, I guess accomplishment or like established like you know. Um, I p. building with a new twist on it to like You're like the bridge. dude. You know what I mean. like

[soby]:

We like the bridge, Dude, we like the bridge, Bro,

[boona]:

we like the fucking bridge man.

[soby]:

I mean it. it's sick, dude. It's like it's to me. it's like I, I don't know. I'm just a very like modest due. I don't. i. I've done a lot

[boona]:

Yeah,

[soby]:

of cool shit like it's awesome, but I'm just

[boona]:

yeah,

[soby]:

having fun. dude Like it. It's just I think it's

[boona]:

yeah,

[soby]:

one of those things where if you start taking yourself too seriously, especially like at my age, I'm like twenty five, but I'm not trying to have like an air of superiority at this age, I

[boona]:

right,

[soby]:

doicy thing to do, and and not at any age either, right. But uh, I think when you just start takinging yourself too seriously, it's hard to have fun, man, and like that's the thing is like the. If you, if you look at like there's been creators that haveve gone on crazy time periods where they were just hidden brother. Theres pap pap, paa, uh,

[boona]:

yeah, yeah, y,

[soby]:

Like picksar, is a good, A good example of this right where they just did not misss for the Beatles, Bob Dylan, Uh, they was in their bag, and

[boona]:

yeah, yeah, yeah,

[soby]:

uh, I think a lot of it's just like you know they're They're having fun. They're like it, 'cause my. I. I try to learn a lot from history and my issue with history is that people. it's always. It just says what happened now what people thought was goingnna happen,

[boona]:

five,

[soby]:

you know, and I wish there's a way to go back and look at what things are going to happen. And I like to, um, you know, very, be very reflecive, and and flexible as well with things of just like. What are we go? do? Like? how do we synergize these things? Because it's important to understand that like I, Yeah, I've been on the bleeding edge of a lot of stuff and crypto of and and all this stuff. But there's a. There's some things that are kind of universal right And it's it's you see this

[boona]:

hm,

[soby]:

in Dows right now, where people are relearning corporate governance right, Like it. It. If

[boona]:

yeah,

[soby]:

you know how to scale something like a co company or a business, Uh, or technology like, there's a lot of things that someone like me and Lo and some pe people like us, and and the mostly

[boona]:

y,

[soby]:

web throughccentric way can learn from that. and uh it. You know, it's like. Obviously what I do is important. like our web through strategy. The stuff is important. Uh, but my team maates are super important too. they're awesome. It's it's everyone's support. Everyone plays a roleland, It's it like that's I can't say enough good things. It's just I'm having a lot of fun and it's like a lot of we're making a lot of dope shit. and to me I'm I'm just so excited for people to see 'cause I've I've given some friends teasers and stuff. And it it. They're all like people like it, but I, I'm I. It's just like I think we're in the space where N f ts are just like getting started. and like

[boona]:

yep,

[soby]:

there's not many people that really get it like. And the projects that you know, we're really inspired by me, especially are like. like the Cool Cat Skies, apes punks, Obvs, six punks, especially for community, I think is like

[boona]:

y,

[soby]:

insane to me. Um, in terms of like, just the quality of community members, not the the number, but it's just like Wow, like, like do Snowf, the founder of our blocks, Legend, By the way, Snowfoll, you should have a a a movie Bro straight up, but uh, like guy was lay tylebro,

[boona]:

yeah, yeah, deasel. tell me a little better. I didn't know that dude.

[soby]:

Yeah, snowfroze' a freaking legend Bro, and uh, he's He's entered for the art like that's like. you know. he act like it's uh, dudes of legend, but you know, Uh, the guys like that and then coolcats artifact pixelvll. I think all those guys are making really cool stuff, especially artifact and pixel. I think uh, especially artifact you. I'm a huge huge fan of those guys. I think they're freaking awesome. I think everything they do is so cool. They get it. Uh, and they're like. they're just like they get video games and fashions everything they do so far, but

[boona]:

yeah,

[soby]:

you know they it when you say, like when you look when you can break down the list like that and cool cats. I don't you mention that, but uh and oh, parallel, too parallel's crazy parallxia. so fire. But there's thing about

[boona]:

oh, yeah, yeah, you did.

[soby]:

the ratio between the like these bra, 'cause I think of all these things is brands and companies and stuff. and I p.

[boona]:

Mhm,

[soby]:

companies. I listed these out of how many thousands, tens of thousands

[boona]:

Yeah, yeah,

[soby]:

out there Right And you know some people may not like them. That's fine. You can like what you like. I like these things. That's the beauty of it all. Um, and you can vote with your teeth on what you like, Uh, and be part of the engaged in that. So I, I really like uh, what they've been doing it. but it's just it shows how little like how little companies are Bri going into this like far as I know, Artifact is like the only metaverse fashion company. Um,

[boona]:

yeah, yeah,

[soby]:

that's like native. It's like they're so sick, and uh, you

[boona]:

Yp.

[soby]:

know Th, That's one thing that we have is like this notion of it's. It's really us, versus versus legacy, Right, like we, we love Web three companies, And and I think Froke had a tweet about this the other day like you're more like, like even like Ghost, Ghost and and Cool Cats Cb all the time, like a projects collape all the time. And you're

[boona]:

Yep.

[soby]:

like less likely to see that, and like a Web two world, Where like Nike and Puma

[boona]:

Yep.

[soby]:

coabing, right, you're like Not,

[boona]:

Yep.

[soby]:

That's not ever going to happen,

[boona]:

No, it's it's it's it's it's not and I, I think that

[soby]:

But you know who gets hurt by that Bro is the consumers man like you can make

[boona]:

Yup.

[soby]:

themoo'. Buddyee, my dog is so freaking dude.

[boona]:

what kind of dog do you have?

[soby]:

I have a mini golden dodle. I. I. I know everyone says this about their dog, but my dog really is the cutest.

[boona]:

Oh, dude. that's awesome. What. but Yeah, and your dog probably is the best boy like in your house Like? And the thing about is that no one's wrong.

[soby]:

He's in Asphal sometimes though, dude, he's like a little terrorist.

[boona]:

Yeah, uh, I,

[soby]:

He, he's only four months, so like he does this thing where like I, it's It's sometimes it's my fault for sure, but he' just like 'cause I spend a lot of time in my office and then in my other room. That's my gaming room.

[boona]:

mm.

[soby]:

Uh, and so I don't really like spend much time like. my apartment's like way too big for just myself. And so I don't spend that much time in some of these other places. I'll just be like damn boy. When did you pe here like that? You're just like like sneakily pee like because he does people. Sometimes he' randomly pee like in this one area which I know of, and it's like near my office or whatever. But 'cause he's he's only four months, so it's fine like lot of accidents. but like, but why are you going to like these? very like. Um, I want to say, like obscure places in the house.

[boona]:

that's because he's a dog, dude, They, They, If all her knows, Um, I have a. I have a seventy five pound, or is

[soby]:

I know. I know. Yeah, I know.

[boona]:

actually sixty five pound? Um. She's a farohhound, Um, like an Egyptian Pharaoh, and um, she. I got her at like a year and a half man. She, she is, Uh, she's

[soby]:

Oh, what the fuck

[boona]:

heling a hand basket in her own right, Like she, uh, like she's great with people. but she's like highly dog aggressive, so I have like my set of challenges for that. Um, you know it, it's uh, man, like we like the dogs, Dude, like you, probably seem like my, my P, f B like it's it's it's that's that.

[soby]:

dogs are awesome. dude.

[boona]:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's I don't know what I would do without her men. Um,

[soby]:

Yeah,

[boona]:

that's cool. You got a pu. Pups are a lot of work. but they're They're so rewarding men. they're so it's so rewarding to do that.

[soby]:

it's It's gone a lot better and just in the last month or so. like

[boona]:

Yeah, yeah,

[soby]:

uhcause, it when they're like super young and they're like just super te. like he's four, So he's still a puppy. It's probably going to be like this

[boona]:

right.

[soby]:

for a cou. Like a year really right, but like you'

[boona]:

yep.

[soby]:

more. but uh it. he's I need to do better job like he. The thing is his demeanour and everything is so awesome like he's so chilll. but I just

[boona]:

yeah, golden doodles of a shipman. I have a friend that a couple to have them.

[soby]:

yeah, he's great. he'll He just has one back quality was like where he barks for for attention and that's fine. And then you know he's just super smart though like I'm like damn. So I Ive tried to simulate him And what I love about him is you know. He's been a absolutely blessingly every day waking up next, so was like such. Ohm like damn, I love you Bu. You're so ce like you're soly awesome. but you know he gets me out of the house, which is like important.

[boona]:

Yup same same same.

[soby]:

Oh somebody. he just walked injer with my male thanks.

[boona]:

Yeah, I like like, especially in the morning man, like I, I don't know, like I would probably never leave my apartment if it wasn't for my dog. you know very rarely. Um, same thing then, like I get. I get exercised by exercising her like I. I. It's you know, and and a lot of times, man like you know, my dog came into my life like right around, a really tough part of my professional career where it's just like I needed that. Like additional distraction. you know,

[soby]:

Mhm.

[boona]:

like I needed to come home and clean up literal dog shit for like two muchs straight because she didn't. She wasn't housebroken. Um, you know, it's like it. It's funny like it wasn't enjoyable at the time. but like looking back on it reflecting now it's just like man, like the universe doesn't miss. You

[soby]:

yeah,

[boona]:

know what I mean, Like the universe doesn't miss. Like when you need something, it always provides and that is exactly what happened with me. You know what I mean.

[soby]:

yeah, you dog. I love. I'm so glad that happened to you. You' the man.

[boona]:

Yeahm, yeah, dude. and now that it's it, it's almost weird. Im this transition of like now that like everything's getting good. I'm just like. Wow, like now like it can be a more equal relationship and now like I can like. Really, work on her and now I can really like enhance her life. You know what I mean versus like, Um, you know, Uh, like V, you know, um, versus like the opposite. You know what I mean.

[soby]:

Yeah, yeah,

[boona]:

Um, So but yeah, man, I go ahead.

[soby]:

I, I gave my dog. I got my dog with one of those co, like the little cookie treats, right like the like the bak uh treats, And he, like he like, didn't eat the cookie, but atte the packaging, which I just thought was so funny. What do you doing

[boona]:

That's sick. That's sick. I, I wonder there was one thing that you know as as we start of wrapping things up your man like I, I want to like. When you were talking about, you know the. the, You know the metaverse you're talking about Like some of the culture you talking like weird. like basically on your last uh last rant here, Um something I've seen a lot on Twitter is like people like having different definitions of the metaverse Like what is your definition of that? and like, Do you think that like there's more than one

[soby]:

that? That's a good question. so I think look like you can use the term. However, right you

[boona]:

right,

[soby]:

can. you can describe an inoperal digital world. Ask Ae. Ofverse, you can describe an overarching concept of inoperable digital worlds as a matter of verse. Uh, you can go as far as just saying like a. You can describe it as like a, a, a universe or a meeting place where people have uh, a distinct culture, um distinct language. So you can even argue that Like Twitter is a text based meta verse,

[boona]:

right, right,

[soby]:

right, because it'. the distinction comes from, like, like video games, like video games aren'ts visual Abse like the text based for a little bit, you know,

[boona]:

Mhm,

[soby]:

And so you it. Its, it's all combination things For me personally, I think it's really like. It's so cliche to say, but it's it is like a ready player one or like a sort or or line type thing where

[boona]:

yep,

[soby]:

like I think of it as like a a. A world where like the I, what I see is the hierarchy is something that resembles almost like a home room or like a lobby where

[boona]:

hm,

[soby]:

people hang out like That's where our like. I think the succeeding social metavererse or digital world will be will be that operational layer Where like it's like, Oh, I'm just hanging out and whatever right. Remember that like something that looks like the Central land. Whatever right.

[boona]:

y,

[soby]:

I'm hanging out to Central Land and then all my friends meet me at centrally and we decide to go play a video game. Right and we and all we do is just fucking on her. Ans. whatever. Click that shit and right right from the central land. Maybe something? a portal opens up. You walk through the portal into another game. Right. We start playing the game in there, then we can. Well, we're in that other game beside to play another one. boom, boom, so it's just like you, Biguous, thirty worlds. Um, and in it's like in these worlds like you should be able to see like a lot of uh, merging like a lot of a Divergent. I, P. kind of in the same area Like maybe I looked to my left. I see something that looks like Disney. Out to my rights. see something that looks like Doom, right

[boona]:

mm,

[soby]:

and like and and like a if for like the social Later, like in Frozen Habit, like that, Um, and then I, honestly, it's like Crypto is the use like there'. The the plumbing of it all right like I'm being able. I'm able to sell you send, Send you curency. You're able to sell me digital items in a game. Maybe you're able to sell me an M. T that serves, And maybe I just know you from a game and you know you're actually like a ticket guy Like you're plaggged in with like tickets or whatever, And you go wee bro. I got you on uh, soup dog tickets to send me this item in this game. boom, boom, I know you're not scaming me. You only get an of Ts. It's a. It's an empty of a concert. Like Mpties have mean everything at this point, right,

[boona]:

yep, yup,

[soby]:

Bla, blah blah. So like that's kind of where I'm at Like it sounds a little fucking crazy. but I just think that like to really back of it is's just uh, inoperable digital world and you can like I. I think the nuance doesn't really matter that much you. I 'cause we call Lamo meverse sometimes, but it's part of the meors,

[boona]:

right,

[soby]:

so it's really like understanding what is the Me verse. It's just going to be like these. this like conglomerate, di, like just you're know, 'cause the thing is like it's on the back end. It's going to be like different things. but you're not like a. Eventually it's

[boona]:

yeah,

[soby]:

all goingnna be you're you'. even underst like knowing, similar to like how the internet is abstracted right, like we're on different servers on the Internet. But do you know what server you're on? You know like No,

[boona]:

right, try right, no, we don't.

[soby]:

And so it's all all that coming on with instead of servers. it's content. And so it's like I'm on on'm. This content, but now I'm over here, Bahaha, but

[boona]:

yeah,

[soby]:

it also, I think one thing is people are going to feel things in these Do in the world. you're going to feel like they have significance. They're going to feel emotions, so they're going to laugh. They're going to have fun. Uh, and that's like something to consider Is the very human aspect of this. All, uh is that it's It's a new way for us to engage Like Crypto itself is just a new way for us to to corpor, uh, to co, coordinate right.

[boona]:

yep,

[soby]:

and like play games with each other. Now it's like let's play real games together and see how this goes. and like it. It's going to be interesting. especially the social stuff right. Like one of the names I S remember from my childhood is is zzema. I lially cannot tell you my third or fourth or fifth grade teacher's names, Um, or even I think Second.

[boona]:

hm,

[soby]:

Yeah, and and not six either, even though she did not like me. Uh, but I can tell you was the seeme of the guy who had like ninety nine everything on Rescape

[boona]:

right,

[soby]:

Right, And it's it like that's like culture and crypto, and Uh, smart contracts all coming together are going to create. The world's going to get really weird, but weirder than it even is, and it's going to be really interesting and I'm excited and I'm I'm hoping that we have a a nice part in it.

[boona]:

yeah, I do. I absolutely man and I, I'd say like one one final question. Uh, they like. It's something that I've been struggling with as well, like I, I enjoy gaming. I enjoy like I. I. I still have like my uh community there, you know, but my like. I just just gave you some context. Like when the Halo beta came out last weekend, I actually felt like I was missing out on so

[soby]:

Yeah,

[boona]:

much opportunity by playing games with my friends, Versus like getting involved in crypt and Web three andwter spaces.

[soby]:

I mean, dude. that's okay. Like really good point. That's something I struggle with too.

[boona]:

Yeah, yeah,

[soby]:

Um, and it's you got to you. Got to just make time for yourself like honestly, haven't my dog helps me with that?

[boona]:

yep.

[soby]:

Uh, Because it it like I, I get out of the house and I'm like Okay, cool like at least two hours of the day. I'm like walking you one hour a half. whatever, because he's as a little baby, but

[boona]:

right, right, right,

[soby]:

you know that that's nice, and uh, the other thing is you gotta make time for so fa. the market's always going to be here. The burn out is real. Um, I try. What I try to do is not work on Sundays and I don't do anything. work Really done Some days, Especial, it's much easier when it's football season 'cause I'm like okay. it' Sunday. I'm gonna sayke here. I'm going to hang out with friends. I'm go to watch football. Um it it? it's just it's it's really. I don't have the answers, man, it's something I struggle with too. It's like you got. you gotta really understand to live with that feeling of fuma. Not, I understand, you're really not fuming and I think it. that's something that you just kinda get from being in the market for a long time, because you've been in it for a while now, right like if you've've been there for a few years, you're like Okay, like it's gonna. I'm and the other thing is like committing to it, but it. I, I don't like telling people to not work hard. though, like if you want to keep, go go it. if they. It should definitely be a red flag If the love like that's when it C like to me when people start making conflict. Do you're always working? You're never like you don't ever hang out with this anymore and I'm like. Oh, fuck,

[boona]:

yeah. Yeah, right,

[soby]:

like you know with Danes again like that like other people are like you know people love you, man. people love you like everyone. like a lot of people are loved and people don't even realize how love they are And

[boona]:

yeah, yep. yup.

[soby]:

uh, you know. it's it's important to go like. Hey, man, like it it. You know you by not being there like, Yeah, it. actually, it does affect other people. sometimes, Uh, and you know, be mindful of that. don't like. Don't lose your relationships for for digital cats,

[boona]:

I love that. I think that's a fantastic point to end this Od, mand, I. I think we're going to leave it a that way Like So. Where where can people find you? Where do you want people to interact with you? The most

[soby]:

Uh, you can find me on a Twitter A at Soby life, s o b, y, uh, life, and then Um, you know the exx, poculous Twitter as well, then I'm I'm in that disquor all the time, So yeah, man, I appreciate you having me do this is a lot of fun. Do you, the man? I'm excited. I' got got to learn more about you and I'm glad that we've become friends.

[boona]:

rock brother. I look for you. Done this again. What you say, Man,

[soby]:

hella do'. Definitely do to get soon.

[boona]:

a brother.

[soby]:

I appreciate what, thank you.

[boona]:

Right there we go.

Soby

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